This post is meant to give brief (and simple) explanation of Catholic Church’s teaching on salvation. Other than from Scripture (RSV) I may quote from or refer to Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC for short), which is the official teaching of the Catholic Church.
Salvation is, perhaps, the always raised topic when Catholics meet Protestants and/or “Bible only” Christians, especially those with strong zeal of evangelism – after all Catholics are usually their favourite and easy targets. Many Catholics do not understand the teaching of the Church on salvation and therefore are easily to be led away to believe what the Catholic Church does not teach (and never taught).
To begin with, we cannot understand Catholic Church’s teaching on salvation without understanding first the other closely related and inseparable issues. They are Original Sin, God’s Grace, Human Freedom, Predestination and Justification.
We start first with Original Sin. Catholics believe that the first sin committed by the first man, Adam, affects all of us (Romans 5:12, 19). This first sin makes us deprived from original holiness and justice (CCC # 405). The Church refers this deprivation as Original Sin (CCC # 417). In relation with salvation, Original Sin weakens our nature (we will see later what it means), makes us inclined to sin and subject to ignorance. From Scripture we know the serious consequence of sin. Nothing unclean can enter heaven (Revelation 21:27); he who commits sin is of the devil (1 John 3:8) and the soul that sins shall die (Ezekiel 18:20). Our sins therefore do not entitle us to enter heaven and to enjoy eternal fellowship with God. By ignorance Catholics mean we cannot even will our salvation. In other words the initiative of our salvation belongs to God. It is God, not us, who takes the first step to save us. He does so by providing us with His Grace. Thus Catholics believe in Salvation by Grace and never believe in Salvation by Works. This leads us to the next issue: God’ Grace and what it does in our salvation.
First, what is Grace? Catholics understand Grace (CCC # 1996) as favour, free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons (John 1:12), partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life (2 Peter 1:4). The word “free” means we do not need to do anything worthy enough to receive God’s Grace and it is underserved because God is not under any obligation to save us. When He sent His only Son, Jesus, to die for us is His Grace. As an analogy for grace, think Grace as initial push from God, without which we cannot move towards our salvation. Catholics believe that the Three Persons in the Holy Trinity together participate in giving us Grace. The grace of Christ is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of his own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it (CCC # 1999). How do we respond to God’s Grace is related to the next issue, Human Freedom.
Catholics believe that God’s free initiative demands man’s free response (CCC # 2002). It means we have freedom to choose whether to cooperate with God’s Grace or to reject it. God did not create us to behave like robots, i.e. that we will automatically move in prescribed manner after being switched on by God’s Grace. Thus when Catholics say our nature is weakened, but not totally corrupted by Original Sin, its implication means we still have the ability or freedom to choose between good and evil. Keep in mind that our freedom comes after being first moved by God’ grace – without God’ Grace, he cannot by his own free will move himself toward justice in God’s sight (CCC # 1993). In contrast heresies like Pelagianism and Semi-Pelagianism teach that we can use our freedom to take the first step in our salvation and then God’s Grace will assist us. What does Scripture say regarding our freedom? In the parable of wedding banquet (Matthew 22:1-14) the invited guests were able to reject invitation. The first martyr, Stephen, told those who falsely accused him as those who resisted Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51). In Revelation 3:20 while Christ takes the initiative to knock at our door, it is up to us whether we open the door to welcome Christ or not (note the conditional statement starting with “if”).
Related to God’s Grace and Human Freedom is the next issue, Predestination. Many would say that in Catholicism there is no predestination because we believe in human freedom. This is not true – there is predestination in Catholicism because the initiative of our salvation belongs to God, not to us. God takes the first step by giving us His Grace and we, in using our freedom, response back. Catholics believe in the existence of the Elect, i.e. those whom God predestines to heaven (Matthew 25:34, Acts 13:48, Romans 8:28-30). But Catholics also believe that God predestines no one to hell (CCC # 1037) – this means those who end up in hell do so because they use their freedom to reject God’s grace. Scripture is pretty clear in stating that God gives His Grace through Christ to every one and calls every one through Christ to salvation. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive (1 Corinthians 15:22) and For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men (Titus 2:11). Christ came to save the lost (Luke 19:10) and sinners (1 Timothy 1:15), which means all mankind, not only the Elect (CCC # 605, 1019). Obviously not all will go to heaven. God gives His Grace lavishly or in abundance to the Elect (Ephesians 1:7-8). He has mercy but also hardens the hearts of whom He will (cf. Romans 9:18). Thus Catholics believe those who end up in hell also receive God’s grace, which they pervert (Jude 4). The Elect are the ones who have what we call as assurance of salvation. However Catholics believe that unless God reveals it to us we cannot know who the Elect are. In Romans 16:3-16 Paul greeted a number of persons and only Rufus (Romans 16:13) he singled out as God’s Elect. This does not mean the rest will not go to heaven but Paul was given the revelation of only Rufus’ Election. This is the reason why in Catholicism salvation is conditional. Among Scriptural verses that support conditional salvation are: Luke 12:42-46, John 15:1-10, Romans 11:20-33, 1 Corinthians 15:1-2, 2 Corinthians 11:2-3, Hebrews 3:12 and 2 Peter 2:20-21. While Christ said no one can snatch his sheep from his hands (John 10:28) it does not rule out the possibility that His sheep are the ones who decide to leave Him – here we talk about human freedom again. Our salvation does indeed come from God’s grace and we have freedom to receive or to reject it.
The last but the most important issue related to salvation is Justification. How does God justify us to enter heaven? On this issue of Justification the 16th century Protestant Reformers broke away from Catholicism. First what is Justification? Following definition given in council of Trent Catholics understand Justification as a translation from that state in which man is born a child of the first Adam, to the state of grace and of the adoption of the sons of God through the second Adam, Jesus Christ, our Saviour. The Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (page 118) defines Justification as the merciful and freely-given act of God which takes away our sins and makes us just [righteous] and holy in our whole being. It is brought about by means of the grace of the Holy Spirit which has been merited for us by the passion of Christ and is given to us in Baptism. Justification is the beginning of the free response of man, that is, faith in Christ and of cooperation with the grace of the Holy Spirit. From Protestant’s side I borrow definition given by Reformed scholar R.C. Sproul: The Reformers viewed justification as being forensic, resting on God’s judicial declaration that the sinner is counted as just or righteous by virtue of the imputation of the righteousness of Christ.” (R.C. Sproul: Faith Alone, page 44). Comparing the two definitions their striking difference comes from the words “translation” (Catholic) and “declaration” (Protestant). Translation implies a change in our state, from being unrighteous (or sons of Adam) to righteous (or sons of God, 1 John 3:7, 10) through Christ, our Saviour. Declaration does not imply any change within us – we are simply counted as righteous because Christ’ righteousness is imputed on us. Thus Reformer John Calvin defined justification as the acceptance with which God receives us into his favour as if we were righteous (John Calvin: Institutes of Christian Religion 3.11.2, underlined emphasis is mine). This does not mean that to Protestants change of state does not happen in our salvation. It does! But to them it happens through our Sanctification, a process we undergo after our conversion to Christ. Protestants believe that we are justified by faith alone and therefore separate Sanctification from Justification. Catholics, on the other hand, consider Sanctification as integral part of Justification. In other words to Catholics Justification comprises both faith and Sanctification (CCC #1989). This makes Justification a process to Catholics while to Protestants it is one-time event. Keep in mind that while Protestants separate Sanctification from Justification, these two must come together in a saved person’s life. Reformer John Calvin wrote: as Christ cannot be divided into parts, so the two things, justification and sanctification, which we perceive to be united together in him, are inseparable (Calvin: Institutes of Christian Religion 3.11.6). The implication of separating Justification from sanctification and at the same time making these two inseparable is expressed in the words of Reformed scholar R.C. Sproul: Justification is by faith alone, but not by faith that is alone. Saving faith is not a “lonely” faith, having no works following as a companion (R.C. Sproul: Faith Alone, page 156). Here works refers to works of regeneration, that is, a saved person should turn away from his/her old sinful ways to become new person who obeys God’s commandments. This works of regeneration takes place in Sanctification. Scripture says that we are saved through faith (Ephesians 2:8) and through Sanctification (2 Thessalonians 2:13). Since Sanctification is separated from Justification Protestants correctly say, using their terminology, that Justification is by faith alone – works they do in Sanctification do not belong to (their) Justification. Catholics who consider Sanctification as integral part of Justification believe works of regeneration are part of Justification. However instead of saying we are justified by faith plus works the correct expression is we are justified by grace – it is God’s Grace that first moves us to believe in Christ and to obey God’s commandments in our Sanctification. Without God’s Grace we cannot do both, not even have the initiative, but we, in using our freedom, have to cooperate with it. It is worth to note that not all Protestants and “Bible only” Christians believe that Sanctification is inseparable from Justificatio, i.e. they believe that works of regeneration during our Sanctification, are optional, not obligatory, for salvation.
Both Catholic and Protestant’ definition use the word “righteous” or “just”. In Greek the word Justification (dikaios) and Righteousness (dikaiosune) have the same root, righteous or just (Greek dike). Justification does have something to do with righteousness – the righteous will go to eternal life (Matthew 25:46) while the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9). Because Catholics consider Justification as a process, comprising both faith and Sanctification, “to justify” means “to make righteous”. To Protestants who consider Justification as one time event, “to justify” means “to declare one to be righteous”.
Catholics and Protestants believe that our righteousness comes from God – they disagree on how it is applied to us. Is it infused in us (Catholic position) or imputed on us (Protestant position)? Infused righteousness implies that with our cooperation it becomes integral part of us or we are made righteous. Imputed righteousness, on the other hand, means we use Christ’ righteousness to cover our unrighteousness – His righteousness remains external and we are only declared righteous. The Catholic Church declares that through Justification the righteousness of God, through Christ, is infused in us (by the Holy Spirit). It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy (CCC # 1992). Scripture defines righteousness as “he who does right is righteous, as he [Christ] is righteous (1 John 3:7) and through Christ we are made righteous (Romans 5:19). Keep in mind that being righteous is not equal to being sinless. To do what is right certainly include “to repent” but one does need to repent unless he/she sins in the first place. Scripture says (Proverbs 24:16): “for a righteous man falls seven times, and rises again.” Catholics and Protestants agree that our justification comes from God’s grace (Titus 3:7, CCC # 1996) and has been merited by Christ (Romans 3:23-25, 5:9, CCC # 1992). By ourselves, using our own efforts and freedom, we can never reach the justified state to enter heaven. It is God, through His Grace, who takes the first initiative to move us towards our salvation.
Catholics believe that our Justification starts when we, first moved by grace and then in using our freedom, accept the gift of faith from God. Note that both Catholics and Protestants consider faith as gift from God, that is, it is given not because we do something to deserve it (Ephesians 2:8). It is worth to mention that Catholics believe unless we are first moved by grace we cannot have faith in Christ (CCC # 2010). No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day (John 6:44). Catholics do believe in Justification by faith but not in Justification by faith alone, because Catholics understand Justification to be a process, not one-time event.
Once we receive the gift of faith Catholics believe that our Justification is conferred in Baptism (CCC # 1992). Most Protestants consider Baptism only as symbol or public declaration of one’s faith in Christ – neither of them has scriptural support. Baptism has something to do with salvation as Scripture testifies: He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned (Mark 16:16) and when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you (1 Peter 3:20-21). The reason why Baptism has something to do with salvation is because it regenerates us – through Baptism we have new life (Romans 6:3-4) because we are cleansed from sin (Acts 2:38, 22:16). To Catholics sins that are washed away through Baptism are Original sin and personal sin (CCC # 1263). Through Baptism we receive Sanctifying grace that entitles us to enter heaven (CCC # 1999). Thus to Catholics Baptism is necessary for salvation of those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for it (cf. CCC # 1257). This explains why the thief crucified with Christ and repented was with Him in paradise without Baptism. God has bound salvation to the Sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments (CCC # 1257). We just mention Sanctifying Grace that comes through Baptism. In Catholicism there are Actual Grace and Sanctifying Grace. The former is the Grace that first moves us to believe in Christ in our conversion and to obey Him through our Sanctification (CCC # 1999).
While sanctifying grace makes us entitle to enter heaven, Catholics believe we can lose it through mortal sins. Scripture does differentiate between mortal and non-mortal (or venial) sins (1 John 5:16-17, CCC # 1854). Scripture also testifies that committing sin after our conversion does affect our salvation (Hebrews 10:26-27). He who commits sin is of the devil (1 John 3:8). Note that God will not let us be tempted beyond what we can bear – He even provides his grace in the form of way of escape (1 Corinthians 10:13). Thus if we sin it means we use our freedom not to cooperate with His grace. God again takes the initiative to save us – His (actual) grace will move us to repent and to ask forgiveness. If we cooperate then Catholics regain back sanctifying grace through Sacrament of Reconciliation. It is worth to mention that in the forgiveness of sins, both priests and sacraments are instruments which our Lord Jesus Christ, the only author and liberal giver of salvation, wills to use in order to efface our sins and give us the grace of justification (cf. CCC # 987). Christ did give the authority to forgive sins to His Church (John 20:23). Those who die with un-repented mortal sin will end-up in hell – all their good works, no matter how numerous and impressive they are, will be forgotten and will not save them (Ezekiel 18:24) – there is no such thing as salvation by works in Catholicism. Those who die with venial sins must go through purgatory through which they are purified as nothing unclean can enter heaven (Revelation 21:27). Scripture refers God as refiner’s fire (Malachi 3:2), who refine us as one refines silver, and test us as gold is tested (Zechariah 13:9). To Protestants purgatory is not required because in their Justification they use Christ’ righteousness to cover up their unrighteousness.
The other issue related to salvation is the role of our good works. Catholics and Protestants agree that good (or evil) works we did before our conversion to Christ do not merit (or demerit) the gift of faith from God. How about good works in our Sanctification? Protestants generally consider them as fruits or signs of true faith – they are done because we were saved, not for being saved. Catholics agree that good works in our Sanctification are fruits or signs of our Justification because in Catholicism Sanctification is integral part of Justification. Yet Catholics also relates works with God’s Grace – unless we are first moved by His (actual) Grace we cannot do them. Scripture says: “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure” (Philippians 2:12-13) and “But by the grace of God I am what I am. and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God which is with me” (1 Corinthians 15:10). Related to good works is the issue of merit or reward. Do we merit something from God for our good-works performed in our Sanctification? Catholics believe that we cannot merit anything from God, because we receive everything from Him (CCC # 2007), including our ability to do good works (CCC # 2008). If God rewards us for doing good works, which He does (Psalms 18:20, Proverbs 25:21-22, Matthew 6:6, 18, Luke 6:35, 2 John 8, Revelation 22:12 etc.) then our reward is also His gift because we do not deserve it. Because the reward is a gift then it may come in the form of grace and even eternal life (CCC # 2010). Scripture does testify that God rewards us with eternal life for our good works, which Catholics view as His gift (Matthew 25:34-36, John 5:28-29, Romans 2:6-10). The concept of “grace merits grace” in Catholicism (CCC # 2010) may confuse or even scandalize Protestants. How can we merit grace if it is a free gift from God? The merit of man before God in the Christian life arises from the fact that God has freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace (CCC # 2008). In scripture the title Saviour is applied only to Christ (Luke 2:11, Acts 13:23, Philippians 3:20) and God (Luke 1:47, 1 Timothy 1:1, Titus 1:3, Jude 25). Our salvation comes from God’s Grace – but God let us participate in salvation of others when we pray for others or share the good news with them or work as missionary. Note that God can do everything Himself – He does not need any help from us. Catholics understand that it is God’s Grace that first moves us to work as missionary or to share the good news or to pray. Using our freedom we cooperate and the outcome of our cooperation is salvation of others. Thus grace moves us to work and our graced work merits grace for others or for ourselves. Does Scripture say through Christ we receive grace upon grace (John 1:16)?
Wow, that’s long.
I wanted to let you know that I was praying and re-thinking my position concerning women teaching men. (Good thing this issue is not an essential doctrine for salvation! It is very tricky to me.) I feel bad arguing with men because I want to allow them to maintain their dignity, and not feel like a woman outsmarted them. I also am aware that I could be wrong on some issues and do not want to lead anyone astray – even though I have studied the Bible intensly for nearly 18 years. In any case, argue away. I will try not to delete your comments! The orignal reason for deleting the comments was that I wanted my site to remain pristine and undefiled — please laugh here, but it is true. I wanted to present only the truth as I see it so as not to lead nayone astray. I do believe I have a firm grasp on much truth since I have been taught and guided by the Holy Spirit. Catholicism seems like a lot of gibberish to me, and full of a lot of unbiblical practices. Sorry, but I truly believe that.
That shoould read, “so as not to lead anyone astray….”
Catholicism seems like a lot of giberish to you? I think it is because you rely more on your perception than facts – sorry to repeat the same words again. You are entitled to disagree with what the Catholic Church teaches – but not with what the Church never teaches.
A most insightful explanation for someone like me who was reared Protestant. I’ve heard enough from Protestants about the differences between P and RC, but it is always good to hear it from the other side. I’ve seen most of the complaints against RC as inaccurate interpretation of RC practices without knowing the doctrine that drives the practice (e.g.- RC have to do penance after sinning so they believe that they can merit forgiveness).
The major problems I have with RC is 1) the veneration of Mary and Saints (and their roles as mediators) and 2)Baptismal regeneration. In all honestly, I could handle submitting to the authority of the Pope at Rome (though Ignatius of Antioch’s description of church polity doesn’t imply apostolic succession as far as I know–even if 1 Clement does), I can accept the infusion of righteousness, but I really have a hard time with 1) and 2)(but more so 1). How does 1) fit into the RC system? I’m not looking for debate (you can delete my post if you want), but I am seeking understanding. E-mail me or leave a comment on my blog. Thanks!
As a protestant trying to understand Catholicism, your blog has become my daily go-to place since I found it a few days ago.
My question is: what drives you to continue being the steadfast believer you are? As a protestant, I am assured of my salvation and am confident that I will have have eternal life with Christ, and that gives me incredibile joy and peace. Do you think you will ever see the day that God will say, “Well done, my good and faithful servant,” or could everything you have done in this lifetime go to a complete waste if you are “elected?” I would think that it’d be pretty painful to live day-to-day believing that even though you believe Christ died for you, that you would not have eternal life….
I look forward to your response. Thanks!
Dear Jo,
Not all Protestants or “Bible only” Christians believe in assurance of salvation. Some, like Catholics, believe that salvation is conditional. As noted in my post, the Elect, who are predestined to heaven do have assurance of salvation – but unless God reveals it to us we do not know who they are. Christ died on the cross for everybody, including those who will end up in hell. This does not mean everyday I live in fear – if you have Christ with you, you would not worry about anything provided you remain in Him and He in you (John 15:1-5). If in using our freedom, we don’t abide in Him then we will be cut-off and burnt (John 15:6). If you click salvation category on the right panel of my blog you can find my other posts related to salvation.
Curious Jo: My question is: what drives you to continue being the steadfast believer you are? As a protestant, I am assured of my salvation and am confident that I will have have eternal life with Christ, and that gives me incredibile joy and peace.
Your second sentence sounds like there is a one-to-one relation between being “a protestant” and being “assured of … salvation”. Is that all one needs to do? Be “a protestant”? I haven’t seen it written that way in Sacred Scripture.
Anyway, I would reply with this question: if you are assured of your salvation and confident you will have eternal life with Christ, why do you continue to be a steadfast believer? See, if you are assured of your salvation, what more do you need Christ for? Why do you continue to believe — that is, worship, pray, live a Christian life, etc. (assuming you do) — if your salvation is ALREADY assured?
When I married my wife, my obligations to her did not end the moment we took our vows. Just because marriage is until death-do-us-part does not mean that I cannot damage our marital relationship.
St. Paul writes to the churches about endurance, perseverance, avoiding particularly wicked sins, being steadfast, etc. Why waste so much ink over something that can’t be lost?
Lorraine Boettner wrote “Roman Catholicism” in the mid 1900’s. It is worth reading. It makes clear that the “greatest fraud ever perpetrated in mankind…” is the RC system. I am so glad that Trent anathematized me!
Dear David,
I do have a copy of Boettner “Roman Catholicism”, did read it and discovered how he deliberately misinterpretted Catholic teaching to suit his agenda. For example on page 268 he wrote:
In Protestantism salvation is a matter of grace. In Romanism one must work hard for it and must pay dearly for it, and after he has done all that the priest has prescribed he still cannot know whether he has it or not.
If Boettner did his homework well he should be able to find the following decree from Council of Trent who anathematized such teaching:
If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema (Canon I on Justification)
The stumbling block for me, a born again believer, who was raised Roman Catholic, is your combining of justification and sanctification. How does one know if their works are ENOUGH to complete the justification process? When a gift is offered, have you ever heard of someone to do work to receive it? Romans 6:23 says “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”…no mention of work needed to receive this gift.
We don’t have to go through life wondering if we will have eternal life (if we worked enough) because 1John 5:13 says “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may Know that you have eternal life.”
As believers in Christ, we follow Him after we have been justified because of the joy we have in knowing Him. We work for Him 1)because of that joy and 2)so that others may see Him through us and come to a saving faith in Him also.
Dear Kay,
It seems you don’t read my post thoroughly as you still question how much works we must do to complete justification. There is no such thing as minimum quota of works for our salvation and Catholic Church never teaches justification by faith plus works but justification by grace. We enter heaven upon dying if we die without mortal sin and this is possible only with God’s Grace. God’s Grace is free, I ststed so in my post – our works come from and is only possible with His Grace. You wrote that you work because you have been justified – my question is what happen to those who do not work after your concept of justification or do only partial work?
The thief on the cross didn’t have time to work…he died that day. Jesus said, “today you will be with me in paradise.” We don’t know the extent of his crime, mortal or menial. That opens another can of worms. Grace is Grace…not with strings attached. There are no “buts” with God. Sin is also sin. The liar is just as guilty of sin as the murderer. God extends grace to all, through His Son’s death, burial and resurrection. Not based on what we do or didn’t do. I can’t buy the mortal sin/menial sin thing….it is nowhere in scripture.
Dear Kay,
It seems you still stick to your idea that Catholics believe in salvation by works. Let me quote official statement of the Catholic CHurch from Council of Trent:
If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be accusred.
Council of Trent, Canon I on Justification
What happened to the thief crucified with Christ who repented is in agreement with what the Church teaches. By Grace he repented before he died (short time later) then all his past sins no matter how numeours and horrible they are will be forgotten and will not be accounted for (Ezekiel 18:21-22). In contrast a person who kept on doing good works but died with unrepented mortal sin will go to hell, his/her good works, no matter how numerous and impressive they are, will be forgotten and will not save him/her (Ezekiel 18:24). Note that Catholics believe a person can only repent when he/she is first moved by Grace – whether he/she repented it is up to him/her since Catholics believe in human freedom. There is no can of worms to be opened – it exists oly in your imagination.
Finally Scripture talks about deadly (mortal) and non deadly sins in 1 John 5:16-17.
1John5:16 says “There is A sin that leads to death.” Throughout scripture we see that death comes to those who deny Christ for salvation. Even in the Old Testament. Salvation came to those who believed in the promised seed, which is Christ. THE sin that leads to death is rejecting Christ. All other sin can be forgiven through the grace of God…and yes, a repentent heart is necessary. The way I explain it to unbelievers is that sin has to be paid for by the shedding of blood. We have a choice to accept Christ’s payment of our sin with his blood = eternal life, or pay for it ourselves with our own blood = eternal (or spiritual) death.
Dear Kay,
Scripture says that sins do affect our salvation even after we become followers of Christ – read Hebrews 10:26-27. According to James 1:15 sin that leads to death is not rejecting Christ. 1 John 3:10 says who does not do right is not of God, i.e. becomes child of the devil. No doubt that blood of Christs cleanses us from all sins (1 John 1:7) but there is condition attached “if we walk in the light”.
David, May the Lord of the Bible help you with your confusion about the Catholic Church. And for the record I am a non-denominal born again christian, who is seriously considering worshiping in the Catholic ministries. The reasons are many…
Kay, Your lot was determined by our Lord. The order of things is clearly shown in the scriptures. Let no man or women leave out scriptures. WE all tend to be guilty of that. Gods Word says clearly that women are not to teach men. Plus nothing…
I would love to be a women. To be a helpmate of the man God joined me to. The two become one flesh. Its not to be I am women and I am proud, hear me roar. Not saying that you are any of that. Just stating that this issue of men laying down on their part, and the womens equality movement has put a damper on the order god mandated. You cannot have to heads. The man is to be the head of the house. A women is not to teach or pastor over men. I cant tell you how many unfruitful christian couple or families I know have that canser.
The next statement below in my comment is directed to the many blogs, websites etc of so called evangelicals BLA BLA BLAH.
Not neccesarily this blog…
When I read the comments it is apparent that the enemy has had his way with Gods own, his church.
God wants unity, the devil wants devision.
When we truly Love the Lord and thy neighbor as thyself we are in His unity. You show me your faith by what you say, or (by your doctrine or opinions and I will show you mine by what I do.
Less time opinionating and more time caring for the lost.
Jesus, the Holy Spirit loves the lost through His children.
Us that is.
The devil wants to have us busy doing anything other than caring for the poor, or loving the children, or holding the hand of an elderly person while we share christs love.
Is Jesus to drop a happy meal from the freeway overpass to a homeless person or put it on the hearts of his own to bring it to them.
After reading the comments I feel encouraged and strengthened by some and dissention by others.
Thank you vivitar for your heart.
I would leave with this comment. I read your short comments on election. The doctrine of Gods Word crys out aloud to me that Gods foreknowledge is not to be understood by man.
The Lord will save whom He will save. Not only by predestination. Does God predestine whom He will predestine? Ofcoarse. The free will unto humanity is not to be taken out of the equation. Our Father came in the flesh, He died as his own son, and uses his own Holy Spirit to work through His ambassadors. When God works through us through His word, and Loves the Lost through us, that many times will help the lost person to be open for the Good Lord to fill their openess with his Faith.
Does God choose or predestine some unto salvation? Yes. Does God give eternal life saving grace to those sought out by His great commisioners? YES
My favorite scripture pertaining to this is:
1st Corinthians 1: 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe…
Amen!
That says it all. To think that the Lord would save those who believe the gospel. It is much more fruitful to hel those along to believe if we are not full of judgement, legalism & hypocracy. You see when we feed them when they are hungry. When we vist them when they are inprison. When we let a homeless person shower, cloth them feed them and help them financially. That is to Love thy neighbor.
No its not a works based salvation as Vivitor and I would state boldly. Its simply put, Jesus loving through us.
Chrisyians UNITED, NOT DIVIDED.
Jim